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[17:00:51] <meffie> good afternoon
[17:01:03] <cwills> good morning
[17:01:13] <yadayada> Hello All
[17:01:17] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> My network was pretty unreliable last night, so I had to
disconnect/reconnect a lot
[17:01:35] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Of course, Comcast isn't going to tell me what was going on...
[17:04:46] <wiesand> Sorryyyy
[17:04:56] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Did weisand just arrive?  I don't get join/part traffic in this client
[17:05:13] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> And, like all clients, am subject to race conditions :)
[17:05:29] <wiesand> I joined the room ~30m ago, then got distracted
[17:05:30] <meffie> thanks for all the merges!
[17:05:52] <wiesand> I have two topics for today:
[17:06:00] <wiesand> 1. Linux 5.6
[17:06:13] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> It's pretty easy to get caught up in code-review/merging and lose
track of the chat room, yeah <_< >_>
[17:06:18] <wiesand> 2. Administrivia: it's DST skew time again
[17:06:43] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Ugh, DST
[17:07:11] <wiesand> re Linux 5.6, I'm a bit lost regarding what's essential
[17:08:03] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> There's some stuff that changed regarding timespecs, which affects
rand-fortuna that we currently build for the kernel but don't actually
need to.
[17:08:07] <cwills> There are two patches one from Andrew and one from me that get 5.6 to build cleanly (at rc-4).
[17:08:09] <wiesand> is 14083 sufficient, or does it require more changes like 14084?
[17:08:24] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Rather than cope with the fallout, we will just stop hitting ourselves
and not build rand-fortuna, so we do need both changes
[17:08:49] <cwills> Yes we need both due to some changes in vattr
[17:09:11] <wiesand> ok, I'm all ready to get these pulled up and then get out 1.8.6pre2
[17:09:22] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> (I think 14084 is more complicated than it needs to, but not sure if
Andrew is in a position to reply/update right away)
[17:09:37] <cwills> I've done a smoketest against a 5.6-rc3 kernel and built against a 5.6-rc4
[17:10:41] <meffie> what are the gerrits for linux 5.6rc4?
[17:10:51] <wiesand> On topic 2: the US is about to change to DST this Sunday. Europe will change 3 weeks later. India won't change at all. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[17:10:52] <meffie> (for the notes ;)
[17:10:58] <cwills> None needed for rc4.  rc3 is what broke the time stuff
[17:11:06] <meffie> ah, then rc3?
[17:11:51] <cwills> correct.  And as soon as rc5 shows up I'll run a build against that.
[17:12:05] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Regarding DST, I think I can cope with the any of -1, +0, and +1 hour
in my local timezone
[17:12:11] <meffie> what are the gerrits?
[17:12:20] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> 14084 and 14083 for linux
[17:13:06] <meffie> thank you
[17:15:37] <wiesand> In the past, I strived for keeping the local time slot the same for US folks. Which would mean the meeting would happen an hour earlier than usual (all local time) - the next 3 weeks for me (which would be just fine) but for ~6 months for yadav (and I think that's not quite your preference?)
[17:15:49] <meffie> yes the US switches to DST on sunday
[17:16:09] <yadayada> I am ok with meeting 1 hrs earlier
[17:16:29] <meffie> i am flexible.
[17:17:37] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I propose that Stephan pick a time and publicize it.
[17:17:48] <meffie> +1
[17:20:10] <wiesand> I hereby rule that we'll keep the local starting time the same for US participants, that we'll revisit this issue in autumn, and that bringing up proposals for changing the time slot are welcome anytime.
[17:21:37] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Thanks
[17:21:41] <meffie> +1 thank you
[17:21:50] <cwills> Thanks
[17:21:54] <wiesand> And I'll communicate that on the -release-team list unless Mike beats me to it.
[17:22:45] <meffie> ok thanks
[17:23:54] <meffie> so, same local time here, means GMT times is one hour different next week. someone help me with the math :)
[17:24:12] <meffie> that means 16:00 GMT next week?
[17:24:27] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I haven't had enough caffeine yet to be trustd with timezone math
[17:24:34] <wiesand> Ben: thanks for your review of the 1.8.6pre1 web change. I'll add an adjective or two for the pre2 one, as you suggested.
[17:24:51] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Sounds good
[17:25:07] <yadayada> sounds good to me
[17:26:55] <wiesand> US participants, just make sure to adjust your clocks on Sunday, then stop thinking about it ;-) Yadav and me are going to cope ;-)
[17:27:13] <meffie> lol. thanks
[17:28:28] <wiesand> On to 1.9/master?
[17:29:19] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I managed to get a few things merged yesterday/today, including the
opr_cache stuff that I've wanted to do for like a month now
[17:29:49] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Thank you Yadav for submitting the CellLRU fix
[17:30:17] <yadayada> Thanks Ben for the review for CellLRU
[17:30:50] <wiesand> CellLRU looks like a candidate for backport?
[17:30:58] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I don't know that there's a whole lot to discuss, though, just stuff
for me to review and a few gerrits that I requested changes on
[17:31:36] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Getting back go the 1.9 NEWS is a priority, and then hopefully looking
at the pthread-bos updates.  I guess Andrew has a simpler proposal
than what we had been working on previously, which could be
interesting
[17:32:58] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> My proposal for a release-team presentation at the workshop got
accepted :)
[17:33:06] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I haven't booked travel yet, though.
[17:33:54] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I will of course prioritize the linux-latest fixes so we can get those in
1.8.6
[17:33:56] <wiesand> I was happy to see your talk on the agenda.
[17:34:09] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Are there other gerrits/topics that people want to talk about?
[17:34:09] <wiesand> And quite a few others too.
[17:35:23] <wiesand> I'd still love to have a chance to at least listen from remote (I'm not going to participate on premise, which is a pity).
[17:35:44] <wiesand> I also hope Corona won't kill the whole thing.
[17:36:42] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I'm currently planning to be in Vancouver for IETF 107 on March 20-28,
whould cause me to miss one or two of our meetings ... but trends seem
to indicate that the meeting will get cancelled due to COVID-19
fears/panic
[17:37:09] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> If Corona is the only beer at the reception that would be a poor
outcome, yes ;)
[17:37:26] <wiesand> No other items I'd like to discuss today.
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[17:37:46] <wiesand> ok, s/Corona/COVID-19/g
[17:38:06] <meffie> sorry dropped.
[17:38:13] <yadayada> I also don;t have much today.  
[17:38:34] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I guess Seattle is a big COVID-19 outbreak, relatively speaking, of
the US cases.
[17:39:13] <cwills> my son lives in Seattle.. he said his company is all working from home
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[17:40:01] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I've been able to joke that I am "already self-quarantining" since I
always work from home
[17:40:12] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> I had to go to the store yesterday to get milk, though...
[17:40:12] <meffie> seems like my network is not stable today. have a good weekend!
[17:40:15] <wiesand> Looks like that on those maps. I guess your chance of coming close to anyone carrying the virus on a perfectly normal day in the Seattle area is still pretty faint.;
[17:40:30] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Just walking around on the street, yeah.
[17:40:53] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> But my wife works at a hospital that has a few patients (she is not
part of the care team for any of them, though)
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[17:42:57] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Anyway, it sounds like we are wrapping up ... motion to adjourn?
[17:43:15] <wiesand> My personal stance: Concern is in order (and this includes questioning the need for meetings, workshops, conferences). Fear isn't. Panic is never helpful.
[17:44:01] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Agreed
[17:44:34] <wiesand> Yes, let's adjourn.
[17:44:40] <wiesand> Thanks a lot everybody!
[17:44:45] <yadayada> Thanks !!
[17:44:53] <kaduk@jabber.openafs.org/barnowl> Yes, thanks, and have a good weekend!
[17:45:00] <cwills> Thanks
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