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[12:42:53] <meffie> happy friday.
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[13:00:06] <wiesand> Hello
[13:00:30] <meffie> good afternoon
[13:00:31] <mvita> Bonjour
[13:00:52] <wiesand> goddag
[13:02:01] <meffie> cover you ears mvita!
[13:02:13] <meffie> whats wrong wiesand?
[13:02:26] <mvita> no, he's saying Good Day!
[13:02:32] <meffie> oh! :)
[13:02:35] <mvita> not cussing
[13:02:41] <meffie> lol
[13:03:09] <wiesand> right, that's "good day" at my current location
[13:03:14] <mvita> but I don't know what language that is
[13:03:29] <wiesand> i hope it's danish
[13:03:37] <mvita> ah, ok
[13:03:47] <mvita> yes, it is (according to my search)
[13:03:53] <mvita> but Swedish has the same
[13:04:05] <wiesand> yes, they're pretty similar
[13:04:21] <wiesand> I fled from the last heat wave
[13:04:43] <mvita> how warm?
[13:05:08] <wiesand> well exceeding 30 degrees centigrade, agin
[13:06:00] <mvita> sorry
[13:06:53] <wiesand> yes, i'm really fed up with summer
[13:08:10] <wiesand> anyway, since ben seems to desert us us today… here's my agenda for today
[13:08:47] <wiesand> Linux 4.19, 1.6.22.4, 1.8.2.1, 1.6.23pre1
[13:09:22] <mvita> ok
[13:09:31] <wiesand> re Linux 4.19, at least building seems to work - any other news yet?
[13:09:33] <mvita> Linux 4.19-rc1 should be out on Sunday
[13:10:01] <wiesand> so we'll know a bit more next week, fine
[13:10:03] <mvita> I've not been following any planned changes
[13:10:13] <mvita> (in Linux)
[13:10:33] <mvita> but they usually come in quite early on the dailies, so this is a good sign
[13:10:42] <mvita> that it is still building
[13:10:55] <wiesand> regarding the point releases, I just pushed openafs-stable-1_6_22-branch (1.6.22.4) <https://gerrit.openafs.org/#/q/status:open+project:openafs+branch:openafs-stable-1_6_22-branch+topic:1.6.22.4> in preparation of the old stable one
[13:11:59] <mvita> okay
[13:12:06] <wiesand> I included the autoconf changes from 1.6.23pre1 rather than backporting the configure part of the Linux 4.18 change
[13:12:13] <mvita> were the autoconf pullups difficult?
[13:12:39] <wiesand> not at all, but the linux 4.18 one would have been w/o them
[13:13:04] <mvita> (btw, why do we call them pullUPs - I think of them as down, not up)
[13:13:50] <wiesand> and since it can easily be verified that they don't result in a functional change, i think it's actually safer that way too
[13:14:00] <mvita> agreed
[13:14:16] <wiesand> (no idea - that terminology was in use when I embarked)
[13:14:56] <meffie> just terminology left over from the cvs days.
[13:15:10] <wiesand> on 1.8.x, the change is already present
[13:15:14] <mvita> oh, it's a csv thing?
[13:15:20] <meffie> there is no real up or down in space
[13:15:30] <mvita> HA
[13:15:37] <mvita> also, no one can hear you scream
[13:16:16] <meffie> i think because stable branches were considered "on top",
[13:17:00] <wiesand> well I too think of master being "upstream", for example
[13:18:08] <mvita> Stephan:  did you perform the verification that there is no functional change?
[13:18:17] <wiesand> so, speaking of "pulldowns" is fine with me too
[13:18:39] <mvita> > diff -u -w -B' comparison of the generated configure file before and after applying this commit
[13:18:46] <wiesand> mark: not for the 1.6.22.4 pulldowns yet
[13:18:52] <mvita> okay
[13:19:05] <mvita> pullDOWNs
[13:19:05] <wiesand> but i did for the 1.6.23pre1 ones before merging them
[13:19:09] <mvita> I see what you did there
[13:19:13] <meffie> (and when we make a patch on master apply to 1.6 we call that "backport", which makes more sense:)
[13:19:55] <meffie> pullup might have been a term used at CMU.
[13:20:04] <mvita> yes, it's the inconsistency between BACKport but pullUP that causes me a bit of cognitive friction
[13:20:24] <mvita> but I just have to think about it each time, it's not a serious issue
[13:20:29] <mvita> I was just curious
[13:20:57] <meffie> just dont call them updates :)
[13:21:03] <mvita> HA
[13:21:10] <mvita> <troll>
[13:21:31] <wiesand> "use of the terms pullup and pulldown, interchangeably, shall be allowed in this project henceforth, unless this decision is overridden by a gatekeeper or guardian"
[13:21:56] <meffie> heh
[13:22:33] <wiesand> since we strictly pull* in one direction only anyway…
[13:22:33] <mvita> Stephan, ancient mainframe source maint lore called source changes "updates"  
[13:22:45] <mvita> he's mocking my mainframe heritage
[13:23:09] <wiesand> i have a (tiny little bit of) mainframe heritage
[13:23:25] <mvita> and "patches" were binary (hex, machine code) changes to executables
[13:23:33] <meffie> update is actually a pretty accurate term.
[13:24:16] <mvita> ok, sorry for the diversion
[13:24:27] <meffie> but i think now adays people assume version update, (aka apt-get update)
[13:24:56] <wiesand> we patch the "sys" binary ;-)
[13:25:04] <meffie> ok, 1.6.22.4... reviews needed?
[13:25:13] <wiesand> sure ;-)
[13:25:44] <mvita> reviewing
[13:26:10] <wiesand> I haven't looked at them yet at all, just pushed them a minute before the meeting
[13:27:09] <wiesand> So what's left to do for the point releases is NEWS and version strings. Both trivial of course, and I'll try to push those later today.
[13:27:20] <mvita> thank you
[13:28:12] <wiesand> And 1.6.23pre1 is even a bit further, since no objections were raised to the NEWS change there (which was a little bit more complex)
[13:29:01] <wiesand> So it looks like the plan is to release all three in one go next week (we'll need ben for the tags anyway).
[13:30:27] <meffie> great news!
[13:30:58] <wiesand> The only other thing coming to mind is 13290. It's frightening me.
[13:32:34] <meffie> that patch is -1'd for now.
[13:33:12] <meffie> yeah, it's a bit scary and i dont think would be targeted to 1.6.x at this point.
[13:33:21] <mvita> oh, this one is new to me but I'm familiar with the roblem
[13:33:24] <mvita> problem
[13:33:58] <meffie> yes, you were looking at andrews new linux-native-mounts instead of my patch :)
[13:34:13] <meffie> which is *much* more interesting
[13:35:35] <wiesand> yes, that functionality is at the very top of my personal wish list
[13:36:17] <meffie> hooray!
[13:36:48] <meffie> this is of course experimental but it would be helpful to have some testing.
[13:37:10] <meffie> and it is not an large as i expected, so that is good.
[13:37:15] <wiesand> especially after having seen it in full glory during my kafs test
[13:37:15] <mvita> I tried to test it yesterday but was having build issues
[13:37:24] <wiesand> well it's not quite complete yet
[13:38:06] <mvita> If anyone else wants to try it, stick to kernels 3.10 through 3.18 for now
[13:38:25] <meffie> ok
[13:38:45] <meffie> so, rhel/centos 7 ?
[13:38:57] <mvita> I think so, yes
[13:39:08] <mvita> that's what deason is developing and testing on
[13:39:31] <mvita> <prototyping>
[13:39:39] <wiesand> the real value will come with replacing our "fake directory" mounts
[13:41:34] <wiesand> and once we report the truth about the free space per volume, it will be interesting to decide what to report for /afs
[13:42:00] <wiesand> because the truth would break some crappy software again
[13:42:51] <wiesand> but it's really good to see this being worked on
[13:43:24] <meffie> thanks!
[13:44:09] <wiesand> Is there more to discuss today?
[13:44:56] <mvita> I have nothing else
[13:44:59] <meffie> you mentioned 1.8.2.1, is there anything i need to say about that in the meeting notes?
[13:45:06] <meffie> is there anything we need to do?
[13:45:19] <wiesand> If not, I'll do the NEWS/version string stuff and then commence my holiday…
[13:45:36] <wiesand> Why not mention it
[13:45:50] <wiesand> And no, at this point there's nothing to dao
[13:45:55] <wiesand> do
[13:46:27] <wiesand> You may want to wait until I pushed the NEWS/version string changes (just hold your breath)
[13:46:36] <meffie> ok, i'll just mention we expect to release 1.8.2.1 next week for linux 4.18 support (correct?)
[13:46:48] <wiesand> that's the idea
[13:46:53] <meffie> ok,thanks!
[13:47:39] <wiesand> Let's adjourn then. Thanks a lot Mark & Mike!
[13:47:50] <mvita> you're welcome, thank you!
[13:47:52] <meffie> fyi, i have been consulting with jason e about the buildbot.
[13:47:57] <mvita> have a good holiday
[13:48:06] <meffie> have a good weekend!
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