- Wednesday, March 11, 2015

release-team@conference.openafs.org

Wednesday, March 11, 2015< ^ >

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[14:36:25] kaduk joins the room
[14:36:56] <kaduk> Small crowd today, I guess.
Unless "meet without me" meant the same Europe time instead of the same US time...
[14:58:08] <Jeffrey Altman> Stephan canceled the meeting.    My interpretation was that it was up to others to decide on a time to meet if it was desired
[15:00:11] <kaduk> Or decide that they don't have anything to talk about and should leave the meeting cancelled ;)
[15:01:02] <Jeffrey Altman> yes
[15:28:32] stephan.wiesand joins the room
[15:31:02] <stephan.wiesand> Really sorry.
[15:31:13] <Jeffrey Altman> don't be
[15:31:49] <stephan.wiesand> Ok :)
[15:31:57] <Jeffrey Altman> I blame the U.S. Congress
[15:32:01] <Jeffrey Altman> DST should die
[15:32:23] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> disagree
[15:32:30] <stephan.wiesand> What?!
[15:32:32] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> standard time should die
[15:32:48] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> i like daylight in the evening.
[15:32:54] <Jeffrey Altman> you can disagree with what the time zone is.   that is a different issue than DST
[15:33:07] <stephan.wiesand> Iceland is on GMT+0 around the year. They got it.
[15:33:08] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> nope. just save ALL THE DAYLIGHT
[15:33:10] <Jeffrey Altman> DST is the switch between two time zones
[15:34:16] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> well, whatever our gmt offset is here now, i want that one. always.
or if we must shift, in the winter i'd like to save extra daylight,
not none
[15:34:34] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> please and thank you
[15:34:44] <stephan.wiesand> Daria wants variable length hours, depending on local time of year. Nice idea. It would make scheduling teh meeting very interesting ;-)
[15:35:14] <Jeffrey Altman> I just want global consistency.
[15:35:37] <kaduk> Haven't we given up on that in favor of eventual consistency?
("we" == "google")
[15:35:50] <Jeffrey Altman> however, research shows that the number of deaths and injuries after a time zone shift are noticeable
[15:36:40] <Jeffrey Altman> "eventual consistency" is a term that I am quite unhappy about at the moment.
[15:38:31] <stephan.wiesand> Not good in the context of caching filesystems anyway.
[15:38:32] <Jeffrey Altman> CIO says "oh, your product is distributed, do you support eventual consistency?"   and then I try to explain that "no, we believe in consistency".  and I get back "how does that differ from 'eventual consistency'"? and then I want to walk out of the room
[15:39:18] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowlE5B64A04> we support eventual consistency. it will still be consistent,
eventually.
[15:39:18] <Jeffrey Altman> Google, Dropbox, Box, etc. claim that "eventual consistency" is good enough for file systems
[15:39:46] <kaduk> I was careful to not say that us here believe in eventual consistency :)
[15:40:09] <stephan.wiesand> Nice marketing term.
[15:40:26] <stephan.wiesand> I hope the guy who unvented it got real rich.
[15:41:25] <kaduk> Maybe the addition to his account balance was completed with eventual consistency (i.e., not).
[15:43:22] <stephan.wiesand> Come on, credit where it's due. Turning "nothing you could rely on at any time" into something that sounds good is an admirable achievement.
[16:12:49] <kaduk> :)
[17:07:08] <kaduk> Stephan: do I remember correctly from the mail that the linux 4.0 and the ubik changes still need review, and that's all we really need for 1.6.12?
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[17:10:27] <kaduk> Hey Mike
[17:10:34] <meffie> hello
[17:10:42] <kaduk> "I think you're late, no matter what side of DST you're on" ;)
[17:11:12] <meffie> yes. and i really hate dst.
[17:12:24] <meffie> sorry if not pushed stuff to gerrit yet.
[17:12:27] <meffie> i've
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[18:48:22] <stephan.wiesand> Ben: yes, that's what I said.
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