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[07:03:43] <Stephan Wiesand> Hello.
[07:03:59] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> hi
[07:04:15] <Jeffrey Altman> hi
[07:04:18] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> [not entirely here]
[07:04:19] <deason> hi
[07:04:44] <Stephan Wiesand> I'm uploading RH binaries right now.
[07:04:58] <Stephan Wiesand> Any other exciting news?
[07:05:17] <Jeffrey Altman> i'm eating bacon
[07:05:28] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> sorry we all failed to get the announce queue
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[07:05:42] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> I just updated a filserver to 1.4.14.1...
[07:06:00] <Stephan Wiesand> I meant news regarding 1.6...
[07:06:09] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> it goes well with bacon?
[07:06:26] <Stephan Wiesand> Derrick: no problem. I was just wondering.
[07:06:58] <Stephan Wiesand> After all, it was a weekend. I just didn't want to waste another day waiting.
[07:07:58] <Stephan Wiesand> Let's look at the "agenda"..
[07:08:33] <Stephan Wiesand> I just checked RT, and there's at least nothing public new  for 1.6.3.
[07:08:58] <Stephan Wiesand> And I take it noone else here found a problem with it yet.
[07:09:15] <deason> not that I've heard
[07:09:48] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> all quiet, yeah
[07:10:27] <Stephan Wiesand> Any new success reports?
[07:11:23] <kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl> Alas, my extra time was consumed with the aforementioned fileserver
upgrade.  Need to get a replacement for the ancient solaris dbserver
before I feel comfortable moving to 1.6.
[07:11:34] <Jeffrey Altman> I'm still running pre2 on my servers.   No new issues.
[07:12:11] <Stephan Wiesand> Ben: I understand. Jeff: thanks.
[07:12:57] <Stephan Wiesand> I'm still running pre3 on EL5/6 and F18 clients and an EL5 DAFS fileserver. No issues either.
[07:13:10] <Stephan Wiesand> I wonder how Ken's test cell is doing...
[07:13:43] <Stephan Wiesand> The test cell I have planned isn't up yet :-(
[07:14:03] <Stephan Wiesand> Next topic: binaries
[07:14:33] <Stephan Wiesand> Stephen build for Fedora and RHEL5/6. Seems complete, but I'll have to check.
[07:14:45] <Stephan Wiesand> Derrick, any chance to get an OS X installer?
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[07:16:21] <Stephan Wiesand> SL6 test packages were announced yesterday. Not much feedback from there either.
[07:18:22] <meffie> 1.6.3, the bacon release?
[07:19:00] <Stephan Wiesand> OpenAFS 1.6.3 "Bacon" has been released ... ?
[07:19:46] <Stephan Wiesand> I'm about to build those openafs-repository packages (for everything since 1.6.2).
[07:20:11] <Stephan Wiesand> Any objections to renaming those to openafs-release ? It seems to be kind of a standard now.
[07:21:09] <meffie> i dont know.
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[07:21:59] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> no OSX installer yet. i have my face down in other OSX installer
issues at the moment
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[07:22:19] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> call the repo rpm whatever you wish
[07:22:54] <Stephan Wiesand> Finally, there was a discussion on oss-security lately about signing open source releases, which made me feel a bit awkward.
[07:23:32] <deason> how so? we sign the tags and the built rpms, right?
[07:23:51] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> well. we used to sign them, with my crappy 512 bit PGP key. i stopped
doing so. the git tags i sign. the RPMs are signed by the builder
host. 
[07:24:30] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> you can generate your own tarball from the signed tag if you wish; you
need a path of trust to me to verify. perhaps the nascent openafs
foundation will provide a vehicle to having a "role" sign releases
[07:25:29] <Stephan Wiesand> Right. That covers the source and the RPMs (once the -repository ones are back, and we should probably make just the public keys available as well).
[07:25:44] <Stephan Wiesand> I'm not sure about the OS X installer.
[07:26:08] <Stephan Wiesand> I don't know where the key for the SuSE RPMS lives.
[07:26:38] <Stephan Wiesand> And the Solairs and Freebsd tarballs were not signed at all.
[07:27:05] <shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD> the OSX installer is not signed. the issues there are slightly
different.
[07:29:09] <Stephan Wiesand> Could we store public keys in git, make them part of the source release, and create signatures for everything not covered so far?
[07:31:40] <meffie> i'd think git would not be the correct place for public keys.
[07:31:47] <deason> do you want the identity for them to be the person that builds them (and they change over time), or some generic "solaris build" identity or something
[07:32:28] <Stephan Wiesand> I don't really care.
[07:32:42] <deason> well, if they're in git, and the git tag is signed, you've already got a kind of trust relationship
[07:32:50] <Stephan Wiesand> The idea is that what's in the source tarball is trusted.
[07:33:07] <Stephan Wiesand> Right.
[07:33:39] <deason> you want to start doing this for 1.6.3?
[07:34:00] <Stephan Wiesand> I wouldn't want to delay 1.6.3 for it.
[07:34:11] <Stephan Wiesand> But if we'd manage, why not.
[07:34:56] <Stephan Wiesand> Mostly, this is a quiet time, thus a good time to bring it up.
[07:36:55] <Stephan Wiesand> Who thinks it's unnecessary, or wrong, or a waste of time?
[07:37:47] <deason> I don't know if anyone will actually check it for solaris, but I don't mind doing it
[07:38:24] <deason> submit them in... src/packaging/keys/ maybe? or do you have a more "visible" place in mind?
[07:38:43] <Stephan Wiesand> I think that's the right place.
[07:39:58] <Stephan Wiesand> I wouldn't even mandate a specific mechanism.
[07:40:54] <Stephan Wiesand> Let's try. Whatever we can accomplish won't hurt.
[07:41:51] <deason> so, I presume you'll send something to release-team asking any binary builders to submit a key, unless someone objects
[07:42:13] <deason> or rather, bringing this up on the list is probably better, since the builders not in here are there
[07:42:20] <meffie> Stephan Wiesand: maybe you could put some ideas on the wiki.openafs.org on what you think the process will be?
[07:43:15] <Stephan Wiesand> Let's see whether there are reactions to the minutes.
[07:43:48] <Stephan Wiesand> And yes, the wiki is probably a good place to outline ideas.
[07:44:10] <Stephan Wiesand> (time allowing...)
[07:44:39] <Stephan Wiesand> Next topic: The release after 1.6.3.
[07:45:08] <deason> well wait, can you remind us of 1.6.3 schedule/timeline?
[07:45:37] <Stephan Wiesand> Well, you decided it would be two weeks after the announcement of the final prerelease.
[07:46:03] <Stephan Wiesand> (tagging)
[07:46:51] <Stephan Wiesand> That's June 17th I believe.
[07:46:53] <deason> okay, so we're still on track for... the 14th
[07:46:57] <deason> oh, or 17th?
[07:47:08] <deason> I thought pre3 was tagged on the 31st
[07:47:20] <deason> oh, the _announcement_, okay
[07:47:44] <deason> okay, sorry, on track for the 17th, carry on :)
[07:48:09] <Stephan Wiesand> So, must-haves for 1.6.3+n?
[07:48:24] <Stephan Wiesand> I'm thinking about those that could be controversial.
[07:48:51] <Stephan Wiesand> I for one really want fs flushall :-)
[07:51:21] <deason> there are the FlushCPS changes, which are behavior-change-y
[07:52:39] <deason> enabling nat ping on client hosts via the callback channel is a behavior change
[07:53:02] <deason> it would be easier to think about these after we can clear out the queue of the less-controversial changes :)
[07:53:20] <Stephan Wiesand> But then we'll be busy.
[07:53:53] <Stephan Wiesand> But maybe it was not a brilliant idea to discuss those now.
[07:54:16] <deason> I can go through and categorize them, if you have a desired way of marking them one way or the other
[07:56:09] <deason> (I mean, not now, but sometime)
[07:56:48] <meffie> i assume 1.6.4 will be mostly bug fixes, but some small enhancements as well?
[07:57:20] <Stephan Wiesand> Thanks. Please skip everything reasonably simple or clearly non-controversial. I was really thinking about stuff like GUACB, or someone considering fs flushall a feature that doesn't belong into 1.6.x at all.
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[07:57:55] <deason> but do you have anything in mind that you would like for them to be marked as controversial or not?
[07:57:57] <Stephan Wiesand> I think a few enhancements and new features are good.
[07:58:40] <Stephan Wiesand> Andrew: Just add a comment.
[07:59:18] <deason> hmm, can't search for those in gerrit, but I could just construct a list locally of the to-discuss ones, I guess
[08:00:01] <meffie> maybe "star" them?
[08:02:28] <deason> I thought that others couldn't search by that, but according to the documentation they can
[08:02:30] <deason> so yeah, that can work
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[08:03:16] <Stephan Wiesand> Whatever :-)
[08:04:29] <Stephan Wiesand> The idea was really just to make use of these two weeks we're waiting for feedback we won't get.
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[08:05:39] <Stephan Wiesand> If it doesn't work out, well.
[08:05:58] <meffie> (ah, yes: starredby:<user>)
[08:06:05] <Stephan Wiesand> Is there anything else anyone would like to discuss?
[08:07:06] <Stephan Wiesand> Thanks for joining then.
[08:07:14] <Stephan Wiesand> Bye.
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[08:07:57] <meffie> bye.
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