[00:09:09] --- Derrick Brashear has left: Disconnected [00:20:05] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [06:45:37] --- meffie has become available [06:47:48] --- meffie has left [06:53:20] --- Marc Dionne has become available [06:55:11] --- meffie has become available [07:01:18] --- deason/gmail has become available [07:12:51] [testing connectivity] [07:14:31] pong :) [07:15:05] Hmm, first agenda item is... [07:15:06] ah, stephen cannot connect [07:15:28] ... 1.6.3 release. [07:15:52] There was that bug report from linux 3.9.2 [07:16:09] but I think we said on-list that it's not really worth caring about. [07:16:34] leaving the status of linux 3.10 patches, and timing. [07:17:40] well, marc pushed the tmpfs fix to the 1.6 branch; I'm not sure if he's advocating for it in 1.6.3 [07:18:16] the 2 linux 3.10 patches have been pushed to 1.6. the tmpfs fix needs adjusting [07:18:37] seems harmless but also not of high value [07:19:27] i don;t think it's critical to have it, unless we know of people who rely on tmpfs (unlikely) [07:19:50] Yeah, when I first read the bug report my instinctive response was "gosh, don't do that". [07:21:29] so, are we including the 3.10 changes for 1.6.3, and do they warrant another pre? [07:22:00] 9947 seems trivial enough that I think it could go in without much testing [07:22:08] there seemed to be agreement last week to include them - there seems to be agreement today to leave the tmpfs one out [07:23:43] and 9948 still seems pretty simple, and only affects the procfs stuff [07:24:04] the other change touches procfs, which probably doesn't affect most people [07:24:13] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [07:25:14] 9947 is simple, yup. [07:25:26] --- cg2v-office-psi has become available [07:26:43] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [07:26:52] --- cg2v-office-psi has left [07:27:10] I'd need to look at 9948 a bit more carefully to conclude that it is no-effect but for new kernels, but will trust the experts. [07:27:37] well, I would be fine with having them in, at least [07:27:55] normally I trust stephen to be one to object if necessary :) [07:28:12] But he's not here, so we can run wild with abandon? [07:28:26] rudderless [07:29:15] has anyone run 1.6.3pre2? [07:29:30] there was agreement last week to include them, if you check the minutes, including from Stephan [07:29:37] okay okay :) [07:29:40] so, timing, then? [07:30:14] "has anyone run" and "does the 3.10 stuff need another pre" seem relevant. [07:30:17] 3.10 patches warrant a pre3 [07:31:05] as reported at last week's meeting, I have been running pre1 and pre2 on a production file server for several weeks [07:32:17] ok, then it sounds like we are ready for the pre3. [07:33:09] i've run with the 3.10 patches for a while with 3.10-rc kernels, but admittedly not on top of 1.6.3-pre [07:33:40] the only issues I've seen are not regressions and should not be addressed in 1.6.3. These are the VIO instead of VNOVNODE bug and the failure of RX Challenge Events to be terminated if there are no active calls on the connection. [07:47:59] Marc Dionne: is it possible that 3.10 final will include changes that break us, or is that unlikely? [07:48:34] and so, is there anything further to wait for, or do we issue pre3 "soon"? [07:49:05] I am getting the impression that a pre3 soon is reasonable. [07:50:19] deason: very unlikely at this point, but not 100% impossible. [07:50:56] I do not believe we should hold off waiting for linux 3.10 to be final. [07:51:47] oh, yes, I didn't mean waiting for 3.10 final; just, if there was anything/anyone we were waiting for [07:51:49] for the past couple of years, Linus has been a lot more strict about accepting only fixes after rc1, even more after rc2 [07:51:55] How much testing do we want before we make it non-pre? It seems like only a few people have gotten to do testing so far. [07:52:22] we can't force people to test and most people will only test after the code is final [07:53:06] after a final pre-release is announced we wait two weeks for complaints and then issue the final build if no show stoppers are forthcoming. [07:54:20] on that time schedule if pre3 is tagged on monday and announced next wednesday, we can in theory tag 1.6.3 final on June 19th and announce it by the end of the month [07:54:21] So, shall we reset the two-week counter with pre3 and let it tick, then? [07:54:39] sounds reasonable [07:56:38] alrighty [08:01:20] are we finished with this meeting? [08:06:54] looks like it :) [08:07:25] ok, have a good day / night all [08:09:28] --- Marc Dionne has left [08:12:55] --- meffie has left [08:18:39] --- Derrick Brashear has left: Disconnected [08:42:17] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [09:26:28] --- LOGGING STARTED [09:41:34] --- LOGGING STARTED [09:41:37] --- Jeffrey Altman has become available [09:41:41] --- rra has become available [09:41:46] --- rra has left [09:42:46] --- stephan.wiesand has become available [09:42:55] --- ktdreyer has become available [09:43:01] --- shadow@gmail.com/barnowl5ABA57FD has become available [09:43:58] --- deason/gmail has become available [09:50:08] Am I online now? [09:50:38] yes [09:57:36] --- kaduk@mit.edu/barnowl has become available [10:35:44] --- stephan.wiesand has left [15:42:53] --- deason/gmail has left [22:06:11] --- ktdreyer has left [23:55:45] --- Stephan Wiesand has become available [23:57:32] --- Stephan Wiesand has left