[02:41:45] --- lars.malinowsky has become available [02:42:03] --- michs has become available [03:56:39] --- michs has left [04:36:43] --- Simon has become available [04:47:28] --- Simon has left [05:56:15] --- Russ has left: Disconnected [06:55:00] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [07:22:09] --- deason has become available [08:16:07] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has left: Disconnected [08:16:26] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has become available [08:32:31] --- lars.malinowsky has left [08:55:45] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has left: Replaced by new connection [08:55:46] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has become available [09:01:31] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [09:14:29] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has left: Disconnected [09:43:33] --- shadow@gmail.com/owlF5068383 has left [10:08:20] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [11:09:10] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has become available [11:10:57] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has left: Replaced by new connection [11:10:58] --- jaltman/FrogsLeap has become available [12:50:01] --- asedeno has left [12:50:01] --- asedeno has become available [12:50:03] --- asedeno has left [12:50:21] --- asedeno has become available [12:53:16] --- rra has become available [13:11:31] --- shadow@gmail.com/owl31246678 has become available [14:10:45] --- shadow@gmail.com/owl31246678 has left [14:17:45] Looks like 1.4 is dead for Debian unstable. The current Debian kernel that just showed up in the past few days removes the big kernel lock. [14:17:55] * rra will probably upload the 1.6 pre-release to unstable shortly. [14:18:13] 1.6 seems to work fine. [14:40:12] --- Derrick Brashear has left [15:04:13] --- mfelliott has become available [15:13:20] --- meffie has left [15:17:02] --- mdionne has become available [15:21:52] in 2.6.38 the BKL is a config option. I figured most distros would leave it on - fedora does in the kernels I've seen. [15:22:21] in current kernel mainline (2.6.39 merge window) it is completely gone [15:22:27] Yeah, apparently Debian went ahead and turned it off. [15:22:42] I'm gathering from the fact that Anders's patch set worked in Ubuntu that Ubuntu left it on. [15:22:56] I couldn't find the change in 1.6 that removed our use of it; it looks like it was some time back. [15:22:57] the question is whether it's worth pulling it out of 1.4 [15:23:11] yeah at least a year back I think [15:23:23] I'm ambivalent. 1.6 is almost out and is probably stable enough for me to just upload it to unstable. [15:23:25] Yes, CONFIG_BKL=y in natty’s current kernel (2.6.38-7-generic). [15:23:52] I suspect Ubuntu was more worried about not breaking third-party modules than Debian is. [15:24:06] commit 196d2c7f9e3250008bf6aed2e172ec6d54e4ffb7, apr 2010 [15:24:12] But if it's gone completely in 2.6.39, then everyone's going to get rid of it sooner or later. [15:24:34] all traces of it are gone in 2.6.39 [15:25:26] I uploaded 1.6.0pre3 to experimental last night, although the Debian ftp-masters are doing infrastructure work on dak right now, so it may be a little bit before it shows up. [15:26:07] it's probably not too complex to pull it out of 1.4. most uses can probably just be removed. the question is where we depend on the serialization it gave us [15:26:50] but maintaining 1.4 for kernel changes is getting more and more painful [15:27:32] Yeah. [15:27:41] And 1.6 has significant improvements. [15:28:53] For a few minutes, I thought 1.6 had fixed 127440, but it proves not so. [15:42:57] --- deason has left [16:14:55] --- deason has become available [16:33:27] --- Simon has become available [16:36:34] If we want to pull the BKL out of 1.4, then there are other changes we need to pull in too. I'm not sure it's worth the effort of tracking them all down. [16:44:30] Hmm, I guess Derrick didn't notice [20:31:01] openafs-1.6.0.p3.tbz packages for amd64_fbsd_{81,82,90} in /afs/sipb.mit.edu/project/freebsd/openafs/$sysname [16:45:09] --- Simon has left [18:07:00] --- mdionne has left [18:43:47] > most uses can probably just be removed. For 1.4, "probably" is not stable enough. I think this is about the right point to stop backporting stuff to 1.4. [19:41:50] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [20:00:43] --- cudave has left: Disconnected [20:01:19] --- cudave has become available [21:11:56] --- Derrick Brashear has left [21:16:10] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [21:34:17] --- Derrick Brashear has left [21:36:17] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [21:44:58] --- Derrick Brashear has left [21:46:54] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [21:51:07] --- Derrick Brashear has left [21:53:01] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [21:55:39] --- Derrick Brashear has left [21:57:07] --- Derrick Brashear has become available [22:00:48] --- deason has left [22:14:16] --- rra has left: Disconnected [22:40:51] --- Russ has become available