[00:14:02] --- Russ has left: Disconnected [00:16:29] --- kaj has become available [01:40:42] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [01:40:43] --- jaltman has become available [01:45:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [01:46:25] kaduk: Yes [01:46:52] Do you have an account on RT. If not, drop an email to Derrick or Jhutz, and they should be able to set on up. That way you can assign bugs to yourself. [01:47:28] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [01:47:39] --- jaltman has become available [04:27:26] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [05:09:43] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [05:09:44] --- jaltman has become available [05:15:59] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [05:16:00] --- jaltman has become available [05:55:03] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [05:55:11] --- jaltman has become available [06:05:37] --- meffie has become available [06:20:48] > Would it be reasonable to open RT tickets yes, do it [06:27:50] --- reuteras has left [07:10:56] --- deason has become available [07:26:12] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [07:27:04] --- kaj has left [07:35:58] --- jaltman has become available [07:36:36] --- kaj has become available [07:45:48] --- meffie has left [09:13:23] --- Russ has become available [09:13:31] Derrick: would you care to make that RT account happen? [09:14:37] you already have an account from submitting mail, right? [09:15:35] ah. yes. [09:15:58] so the problem is how to securely communicate you a password. instead, [09:16:20] change it [09:23:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [09:25:41] and... then i wedged RT. so i'll finish in 10 minutes [09:25:57] (my session, that is. stupid locking model) [09:28:20] Yeah. Why is grand.central the only RT instance I use that has that problem? [09:28:34] "it's old" [09:28:46] i suspect the mysql connector it's using is flaky or something [09:29:19] if you interrupt a page loading, it asplodes. when it really pisses me off, i just restart mysqld and the web server, and move on with life. today, i will wait [09:32:40] If you just deleting your cookie, you'll get a new session and it all works again, I think. [09:33:05] (Nobody would guess that I'm a native English speaker, would they ... :) ) [09:35:19] shrug. i speak american, what you're saying is gibberish and spelled poorly anyway ;) [09:35:43] ben, you might have powers now. [09:35:48] "English spoken, American understood" [09:36:02] se habla everything. [09:41:06] wow, RT 3.2.2, that's...ancient [09:41:13] no comment [09:42:15] --- mattjsm has become available [09:43:34] Every so often, when I really hate myself, I go through RT and tidy up all of the old bugs. [09:44:30] Having done that, I then can't face going near RT again for a couple of weeks. [09:45:20] i should really see if syncwith.us/sd (i thnk) would help with an upgrade. in my copious spare time [09:45:55] I'd settle with just dumping the database to a server with a newer version of RT. In my copious spare time. [09:46:04] SD is awesome, from what i've read about it [09:46:35] the converter tool isn't perfect [09:46:46] upgrading RT is actually pretty simple. you run like one command, tell it what version you're upgrading from, and it incrementally upgrades your database [09:47:03] If we're going to start talking about imperfect convertor tools, I'll just run screaming now. [09:47:03] sometimes. we'd had issues where it screws up. [10:05:31] i grew up catholic. i really hate myself most of the time [10:14:50] (stark) seems to work. Thanks! [10:28:08] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [10:29:15] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [10:42:40] --- jaltman has become available [10:43:35] --- Russ has left: Disconnected [11:08:53] > RT 3.2.2, that's...ancient It was brand spanking new when we put it there. Upgrading it has not been the most important thing. And the place where it lives really wants to go away, rather than be upgraded. [11:10:20] Note that OpenAFS has been running RT since RT2 was new and cool. [11:13:40] --- kaj has left [11:14:13] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [11:23:44] --- meffie has become available [11:46:11] --- andersk has left [12:02:42] --- andersk has become available [12:22:19] --- andersk has left [12:22:25] --- andersk has become available [12:22:53] --- kaj has become available [13:03:46] --- jaltman has become available [14:01:04] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [14:15:40] --- Jeffrey Altman has become available [14:26:19] --- Jeffrey Altman has left [14:39:48] --- Jeffrey Altman has become available [15:18:31] --- jaltman has become available [15:47:19] --- mattjsm has left [15:55:14] --- ktdreyer has left [16:06:27] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [16:07:44] > Upgrading it has not been the most important thing [16:08:04] Well, I think our bug tracking system is one of our primary barriers to wider engagement at present. [16:08:27] I'm not certain that upgrading will fix that entirely, but it certainly won't make the problem any worse. [16:12:42] My general experience is that RT makes a crappy bug tracker; it just isn’t designed for that. [16:13:01] That's my experience too. But our RT is particularly crappy. [16:13:19] Do we have any idea when we'll get official 1.5.75 tarballs? [16:13:22] Part of the problem is that it's access control rules seem to have been specifically designed to prevent public engagement. [16:13:49] kaduk: I don't do tarballs. If it has been tagged, I can point you at the script that makes them. [16:14:21] The other part of the RT problem is that it's so damn clunky that a large number of our users who take the time to report bugs just won't use it. [16:36:08] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [16:46:45] --- Russ has become available [17:14:11] it's only clunky if you configure it that way [17:14:48] it does make for a poor choice for a bug tracker compared to something like bugzilla, but if you beat it enough and customize it enough, it'll give in [17:38:45] --- deason has left [19:31:21] --- deason has become available [19:49:34] --- Born Fool has become available [19:55:48] > it does make for a poor choice for a bug tracker compared to something like bugzilla uh, what? bugzilla needs as much customization as the next thing, and can *still* blow me [20:01:19] > Do we have any idea when we'll get official 1.5.75 tarballs? 12 hours ago, in afs? [20:02:06] > Well, I think our bug tracking system is simple to interact with for end users: if you can't master sending mail, your bug report stands a good chance of being useless anyway? [20:32:00] --- Jeffrey Altman has left [20:35:25] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [20:35:26] --- jaltman has become available [20:38:17] > 12 hours ago, in afs Oh, because sw.openafs -c grand.central.org is replicated. [20:38:44] well, until i had windows binaries there, i wasn't releasing [20:39:05] those appeared in the last few minutes [20:40:53] I am somewhat inclined to have an updated fbsd port shar before I send mail to freebsd-fs, which would want a web URL for the tarball. [20:42:37] (our getpages implementation is broken so that mmap(2) succeeds but dereferencing addresses in the mapped region causes the userspace program to segfault. "Dammit, it's kernelspace that's supposed to be crashing! How can I debug failures in userspace?") [20:49:53] --- Jeffrey Altman has become available [20:50:02] --- Jeffrey Altman has left [20:55:21] nice. [20:58:23] rwatson suggested trying the default {get,set}pages, but those fail because we hardcode f_iosize and friends to 8k, which is larger than the 4k PAGE_SIZE (on my system). [21:33:59] --- Born Fool has left [22:10:49] --- reuteras has become available [22:31:31] --- steven.jenkins has left [22:33:20] --- steven.jenkins has become available [22:49:05] --- deason has left [23:00:35] --- kaj has left [23:01:20] --- Russ has left: Disconnected [23:23:59] Looks like a big culprit (if not the only, haven't looked in detail at my local diff) in the failure to map pages correctly is some changes in the page queue locking that Alan Cox put in recently. Copying mechanical changes from the NFS client seems to put us back in business. [23:45:43] --- kaj has become available