[01:09:07] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has become available [01:18:59] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has left [01:19:15] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has become available [01:26:31] --- kaj has become available [01:26:54] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [01:27:02] --- haba has left [01:27:38] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [01:45:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [01:45:28] Gerrit going down for an upgrade ... [02:25:29] --- haba has become available [03:22:08] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [03:26:19] * haba has now removed an interface from a multihomed AFS server and I think I managed without any interrupt of service (keeping fingers crossed) [03:49:57] --- pod has become available [04:50:49] --- pod has left [05:05:33] --- pod has become available [05:10:22] --- haba has left [05:12:40] --- haba has become available [05:15:39] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [05:15:58] Sorry didn't quite post this when I was done. Gerrit upgrade is now complete. [05:16:26] The way gerrit is invoked on the server has changed - could those of you with remctl / sudo access on o.s.e refrain from hitting it until I've had a chance to speak to Russ. [05:17:08] heh [05:17:42] i've only hit it when it's catatonic anyway [05:18:01] Hopefully it will be catatonic less often now, anyway. [05:18:12] Installation is now a breeze, btw. Grab the gerrit war, run it. [05:19:02] nice. 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[13:19:19] not really [13:20:15] many people just appear to have gotten to a point in their work where it is time to push changes upstream [13:22:21] eh? no, I mean, some old emails on e.g. -info [13:22:55] some things appeared to have been slowed down by up to a couple of weeks somewhere around "Delivered-To: openafs-info-assassin@rt.central.org" [13:24:20] it sure looks like they were held somewhere but I'm fairly sure -info was emptied last week. [13:24:55] why would mail from your account be moderated? [13:25:52] or haba for that matter? [13:26:19] or derrick? [13:26:35] there are usually more data points than just sender... though of course that's usually it, which is why I was asking [13:31:39] my guess would be that someone restarted the mail servers [13:36:46] The mailman qrunner was blocked, which interfered with delivery of some messages to -info and possibly all -info digests. [14:15:52] There's stuff appearing in -info from November of last year. [14:32:23] indeed [14:39:59] > has someone been clearing a mod queue or two today? [14:40:02] qrunner got kicked [14:44:40] I take it this machine has no monitoring. Because it must have been stuck for a really really long time. [14:45:26] january 26th? [14:45:46] Longer than that - there's a lot of stuff from October and November of last year [14:45:56] no. remember how i cleared the queue? [14:46:08] that was stuff that got hand-approved, and *then* lost [14:46:30] one from late july; the big 1.5.61 tagon -cvs [14:46:32] Ah, okay, the queue was fuller than I thought. [14:47:23] chaskiel remembered to look at -cvs [14:47:26] i never do [14:47:47] Do we care about stuck posts to -cvs? [14:48:39] not overly? [14:52:33] Bah. OpenSSH just closed my GSSAPI key exchange bug as "WONTFIX". I guess that's that then. [14:53:11] er. what's the bug? [14:53:39] https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242 [14:53:49] Makes you really want a separate ssh implementation maintained by people with less strange ideas about security, doesn't it? [14:54:25] If only there were more hours in the day. [14:55:08] I especially love the fact that they think that key exchange is pre-authentication, but an authentication mechanism in some way isn't. [14:56:18] if apple and redhat have it, i could pretty much care less about the rest of the world. [14:56:29] Red Hat doesn't. [14:56:37] They refuse to take it, as I understand it, largely because OpenSSH won't. [14:58:46] Yes. RedHat are scared because of the Debian OpenSSL debacle. [14:59:20] After that, they pretty much decided that they wanted to minimize local changes to security sensitive packages [15:00:48] someone else's fault is not really better than not broken [15:01:39] > Do we care about stuck posts to -cvs? didn't mean to say I do, btw; it's just the oldest stuck one I saw so far [15:08:26] --- mdionne has become available [15:31:05] Simon: Oh yes. And what bullshit reason that is. [15:31:37] --- deason has left [15:33:02] I think the issue, at this point, is that if we all jump up and down and say "but you've already got the exposure, because you support GSSAPI for user authentication", then Theo will just pull that out. So, if we want to fight the battle, we need to have a solution if that occurs. [15:35:26] If Theo would pull that out, that would make so many people (who have answered YES to the key question) unhappy that I would not necessarily think that it is a bad thing. However I would like someone else(TM) to fight that battle... [15:36:01] People should start using the OpenSolaris SSH client/server instead and just move on. [15:36:15] --- deason has become available [15:36:29] --- abo has left [15:36:34] The OpenSolaris SSH isn't particularly portable. Someone would have to port it, and then maintain that port. [15:36:41] --- abo has become available [15:36:53] And actually, it doesn't matter what the upstream is. These days, it matters whats in the distributions. [15:42:39] anyone want to invite Theo to talk at the AFS / Kerberos BPW to explain why OpenSSH is more secure without GSS keyex? [16:03:14] That alas is more amusing in theory than it would be in practice. [16:03:31] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has left [16:03:43] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has become available [16:04:24] The last three months of my life are flashing before my eyes. [16:04:29] Or at least the AFS-related parts. :) [16:07:37] it's like a poorly executed game show, with no real prize at the end. [16:10:15] * haba now goes to bed. Flight to Munich tomorrow. Probably dinner at the Hofbräuhaus dinner (upstairs from where the drinking takes place). 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