[01:13:46] --- haba has left [01:45:29] --- haba has become available [02:10:03] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [02:10:04] --- jaltman has become available [02:43:53] --- Jeffrey Altman has become available [02:48:48] --- jaltman has left: Replaced by new connection [02:48:49] --- jaltman has become available [04:11:20] --- haba has left [04:11:21] --- kaj has left [04:11:22] --- abo has left [04:12:28] --- reuteras has left [04:19:51] --- haba has become available [04:37:49] --- kaj has become available [04:39:05] --- reuteras has become available [04:40:20] --- abo has become available [05:05:57] --- haba has left [05:08:04] --- haba has become available [07:06:14] --- deason has become available [07:35:31] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [07:35:37] --- jaltman has become available [08:07:22] --- meffie has become available [08:08:47] --- reuteras has left [08:41:22] --- haba has left [08:41:55] --- abo has left [08:42:14] --- abo has become available [08:58:52] --- jaltman has left: Disconnected [09:18:04] so what suggests a subject of "Request for Assistance with OpenAFS" (literally)? [09:18:21] we have 4 mails in the mod queue with that exact spelling, casing and spacing. all appear legit. it's very odd [09:19:01] All from the same sender? [09:19:32] no, different senders for all but one, and that one is a different message [09:19:47] We had a mesage with that exact subject in 2009, too. [09:22:58] all possibly from non native english speakers? [09:26:27] i don't think so. i just approved them all [09:31:53] From September 2009? Really? [09:32:02] I think we need to do something about our list moderation ... [09:32:41] i'd like to ask for volunteers, but the lists run on "not my system" so i'm just some guy who happens to be able to administer them [09:32:46] pretty much like RT [09:41:35] I think the people who run that system would be happy to have help with moderation. [09:41:50] I'll help... [09:41:51] We'll issue them client certs for that purpose. [09:42:15] Someone get me a list of people, and Chaskiel or I will figure out what to tell them about how to generate CSR's. [09:42:52] apparently openafs.org is registered with my phone number, because i got a call from comodo who wanted to sell us an ssl cert. ours expired? [09:43:54] Ours is self-signed, and expires next week. We're on it. FIIN why comodo is calling you. [09:44:38] they are doing it to lots. if you google the phone number the "who called" database says so [09:45:15] And yes, the admin and org contacts for openafs.org are "OpenAFS Project" with your name, address, and phone number and the openafs-elders email address. Tech contact is me, but they probably have trouble reaching me at +1.4122687225, since I never answer that phone even when I'm in the office, and keep the answering machine turned off. [09:45:54] ... and I don't particularly want to put my cell phone number in whois [09:46:57] get a gvoice number [09:47:04] the gatekeepers have one... [09:47:46] it's not advertised and i don't think anyone's ever called it, but... [09:47:58] I suppose I could, but what would be the point? I don't _want_ phone spam, like the call you got from comodo. [09:48:24] If my registrar wants to reach me, he knows how. In fact, he probably has my cell phone number. [09:48:33] I wouldn't mind moderating, either, if you need people [09:49:02] another org I know got an email from comodo like that, I was wondering what the hell that was [09:52:23] --- kaj has left [09:53:45] CMU is (hopefully) about to sign a deal with a certificate vendor; I wonder which set of terms regarding non-cmu.edu certs we ended up with, and whether I can get someone to buy certs for openafs.org under that deal. [09:54:19] Well, if the deal concludes when it's supposed to, I'll ask. [10:14:38] So now I need to check each and every pioctl works ... [10:17:23] We should have tests for that, or something. I really would like to see a mockup everything-server with basically hardcoded behavior which could be used for testing the client. [10:17:55] That would be very nice. [10:19:00] I'm trying not to get distracted at the moment though. The whole "tidy up the pioctl code so there's no overflows" thing is already a distraction from what I'm meant to be doing. [10:36:05] --- jaltman has become available [10:43:34] regarding "Request for Assistance with OpenAFS" messages. On the www.openafs.org/support.html page there is a section on Community Based Support which includes a mailto: url that specifies that subject. [10:44:22] Oh. Ew. Can it just not specify a subject, so people are encouraged to actually set one? [10:46:16] People who want to set a subject are free to do so. All it does is make that subject be the default. The bigger problem is that users do not read the rest of the text that says "subscribe before sending or your message will be held for a really long time." [10:47:34] > People who want to set a subject are free to do so. Yes, but pre-setting it for them encourages them to send a message with a useless subject, instead of encouraging them to make up a useful one. [10:52:20] That preset message isn't useless to me. It told me exactly where the message came from. A user that went to the web site looking for help and didn't find it. Probably doesn't know enough about OpenAFS to set a meaningful subject line. [10:53:00] has someone approved the messages? [11:05:58] --- kaj has become available [11:09:42] --- Russ has become available [11:15:07] > That preset message isn't useless to me. That's nice. The message isn't to you; it's to a mailing list. It's useless to the vast majority of readers of that mailing list, who would like to have a subject that actually reflects what the message is about, instead of a subject that is the same for ~every message that comes in via that mailing list. Many of us depend on meaningful subjects to process mail more efficiently. [11:15:47] Its not my web page. If the consensus is that it should be changed, it can be altered. [11:18:24] I wonder if removing it would cause some list traffic to be subjectless, though [11:19:05] > has someone approved the messages? I saw one with the aforementioned subject; I assume derrick got them? [11:29:14] I think Derrick was approving them. I've only seen one go past, though. [11:29:29] queue's empty, whatever got approved got approved [11:29:37] if i fucked up, i fucked up [11:35:10] Oh well, fs storebehind goes badly wrong if you run it on a file whose volume has more than one server. I guess that isn't surprising, but you really should get a better message than E2BIG back. 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