[02:28:54] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [02:29:40] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [02:30:27] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [02:44:29] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has become available [02:44:30] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has left: offline [03:39:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [03:39:19] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [04:32:50] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [04:32:50] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [04:33:23] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [04:33:44] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [04:41:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [04:41:18] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [04:44:25] --- mmeffie has left [05:35:27] Hmmm. On Fedora 11, there are no i386 packages any more. Everything is i586 or i686. This means we need to rethink the way we decide whether to build a kernel module or not. [05:43:00] --- SecureEndpoints has become available [06:23:21] which kernel module? [06:23:50] In the RPM build scripts. [06:24:08] We build userspace only if we're i386, kernel only if we're i586 or i686 [06:35:18] ah, i get what you meant now. sorry [06:46:02] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [06:46:02] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [07:25:59] --- dwbotsch has left [07:26:23] --- Rrrrrred has become available [07:32:28] --- matt has become available [07:32:50] --- matt has left [07:41:42] For those that care, 1.4.9pre1 RPM builds fine on all RHEL5 kernels. Are we having a release meeting tomorrow? [07:43:57] i assume so. i will email about it. i expect it will be short [07:44:47] I'll try and see if I can at least reproduce the client hang by then. [08:00:26] --- Russ has become available [08:52:23] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has become available [09:15:50] --- dev-zero@jabber.org has left [09:22:39] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [09:43:28] --- reuteras has left [10:06:51] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [10:07:50] How are we doing for potential GSoC students actually revealing themselves to the community? By my reckoning I've only seen two appear so far. [10:08:06] I feel like I've seen three [10:08:09] including myself [10:08:30] Sorry. Yes, 3. [10:08:44] although jeff said there have been 4 people interested in the mmc project [10:09:25] The problem is, if they're not prepared to pop up on irc or jabber, I don't really have much faith in their ability to engage with the community over the course of their project, or be good community members in the future. [10:09:46] granted [10:09:58] I'd definitely argue against accepting a student who has only made contact with their mentor. [10:10:40] well, I'm not sure mentors are listed anywhere [10:10:44] not that I've seen anyway [10:11:32] I haven't seen them listed, but I have heard potential mentors going 'someone contacted me to discuss X' [10:11:53] interesting [10:11:54] Whether that's students local to their sites, I don't know. [10:12:02] oh, that's possible [10:13:25] are you mentoring? [10:13:47] *just met w. a potential student* [10:14:02] I haven't proposed a specific project, as yet. I'm listed as a mentor in the web app, and I'm happy to help students along the way. [10:14:02] he's gonna fill out the application this weekend [10:14:11] Is he actually going to talk to us? [10:14:18] hopefully... I recommended he do so [10:14:27] And by us, I mean, either #openafs on freenode, or here. [10:14:31] yeah [10:14:39] We found that those kind of discussions were hugely useful last year. [10:14:51] I'm mostly ok with mailing list too, but I find irc/jabber easier [10:15:05] Even just having mentor/student conversations happen in public meant that Jeff and Derrick could jump in and correct any mentor misconceptions too. [10:15:20] right, tho, this was a he's physically here [10:15:28] We pretty much designed the disconnected AFS implementation during that process, for example. [10:15:28] we have jake, three capstone students from uiuc that have been working with derrick, asanka, chris and I for the last six months, brant from rose hulman who has been using oafw/nim/kfw since 2003 and has demonstrated great skill with a debugger, david botsch is reaching out to students at his campus, Logan that tried to contact us last night, priyanka who is interested in the per-file acls project and has RBAC experience, and student from India whose name I can't remember at the moment who is also interested in the mmc project. [10:15:32] google makes the decisions, not afs, right? [10:15:55] rrrrrred: nope [10:15:56] AFS makes the decision. [10:16:01] ohhhh, ok [10:16:12] google gives afs slots, afs gets to pick [10:16:33] That's all well and good. My point was that none of them are really engaging with the community at present. And, I think, that's a serious problem. [10:16:43] s/none/few/ [10:16:54] the uiuc students have been present in the irc for the last six months [10:17:13] Last year, everyone who was a mentor scored applications in the webapp, and we argued over the close calls. [10:17:35] It would be good if someone pushed them into saying "Hi I'm X, and I'd like to do Google Summer of Code" [10:18:21] The students who did well last year were those with a continuous IRC/Jabber presence. The students who did badly were the ones who never spoke there. [10:18:42] all we can do is try. [10:18:59] *advises the students he's seen to stop by* [10:19:02] --- stevenjenkins has left [10:19:03] Indeed. And make it clear to them that our ability to score their applications is lessened if they don't speak to us. [10:19:27] s/score their applications/rate them as a candidate/ [10:19:33] Yes. [10:20:19] That is, if I've never heard of you, I'm not going to know whether you're going to do a good job, and I'm probably not going to give you the benefit of the doubt against someone who I have spoken to. [10:20:27] exactly [10:21:13] Not being prepared to engage with the community is a pretty good way of falling at the first hurdle, as far as I'm concerned. [10:21:43] good, i am glad i'm not alone on that feeling [10:22:16] I think almost every org feels that way [10:22:32] The way I see it, is that Summer of Code is about promoting involvement in open source projects. It's not about software development per se. [10:22:38] agreed [10:22:47] --- stevenjenkins has become available [10:22:51] david was arguing last night that he didn't [10:32:05] what I have told the students that are looking to apply to the windows mmc projects is that they need to go off and try to build a "hello world" mmc. part of the reason they have been quiet is that there really isn't much that the openafs group can do to help them with that task. [10:32:51] Okay, that's fair. But I still think that they should be appearing in the OpenAFS groups to introduce themselves, at least. [10:32:54] it is also spring break for many schools in the US this week [10:33:18] to my knowledge all but one student has been in the irc channel at some point in the last two weeks [10:38:27] didn't what? [10:51:50] --- Simon Wilkinson has left [10:51:52] --- Simon Wilkinson has become available [11:48:47] --- Rrrrrred has left [11:48:50] --- dwbotsch has become available [12:11:04] Anyone seen Tom? 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