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[07:57:46] <stevenjenkins> http://www.openafs.org/pages/gsoc.html is good -- I think the 'bluntness' of the difficulty involved is a really good idea, and well done.  Two questions: 1- to whom should I send page content suggestions? 2- what is the process for potential mentors to make project suggestions?
[07:59:07] <summatusmentis> the other thing I thought of was maybe a bit more depth on the project descriptions
[07:59:38] <stevenjenkins> perhaps each project short description could link to a separate page that has more detail?
[07:59:52] <stevenjenkins> eg, like the OpenAFS Roadmap works.
[08:00:35] <stevenjenkins> (doesn't have to be a separate page -- can just be link to different tag on the page)
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[08:23:29] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> gatekeepers and gatekeepers, probably
[08:23:36] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> more detail will come
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[08:32:38] <stevenjenkins> shadow - tx.
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[09:17:46] <haba> 1.4.9preX ?
[09:18:01] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> what about it?
[09:18:11] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> it will exist when some bugs get fixed
[09:18:20] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> they aren't, so it doesn't
[09:18:38] <haba> :)
[09:18:41] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> there will be release meetings about bug checking; it will be announced
in the next 48 hours
[09:21:33] <haba> Is there anything in the 1.4.9 to be that might affect the "can not write" behaviour? Anything for Linux client or server?
[09:25:48] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> error 110, or something else?
[09:26:15] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> error 110: take this patch:
STABLE14-rx-idledead-only-ignore-keepalives-20081222
[09:27:48] <haba> 1. Will look at patch
2. output looks like:
Mar 11 12:44:25 a03c11n14 kernel: afs: Waiting for busy volume 537086116 (prj.sbc.aronh.13) in cell pdc.kth.se
Mar 11 12:44:46 a03c11n14 kernel: afs: failed to store file (network problems)

[09:33:33] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> maybe. try the patch.
[09:34:48] <haba> What happens if I only upgrade one end?
[09:35:57] <haba> (upgrading client(s) or server(s) is a pain, but different pain :|)
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[09:47:48] <haba> On one server which I'm installing right now I can test STABLE14-rx-idledead-only-ignore-keepalives-20081222 with ease, but the 1000 clients that run 1.4.8 are another story. There it might be easier to test 1.4.9preX on monday or so, whatdoyouthink?
[09:52:59] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> then you better upgrade the correct end. tcpdump will tell you which
side the error comes from
[09:53:14] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> 1.4.9preX won't be out on monday
[09:57:53] <haba> Em, gotta tcpdump hint? (it's allready 6pm here ;) or did I miss something on openafs-{devel,info}?
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[10:04:34] <shadow@gmail.com/owl15E6EA04> either you'll see an abort come from the server, or you won't
[10:04:52] <haba> thanks, ok, 6pm+epsilon. Gotta go. maybe back later.
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[13:30:16] <SecureEndpoints> stevenjenkins: the process to make project suggestions is to write up the project proposal and send it to openafs-gatekeepers@openafs.org.   we assume that if you are proposing a project that you are willing to mentor it.   
[13:30:34] <stevenjenkins> will do, tx.
[13:33:07] <SecureEndpoints> as a mentor you should be prepared to spend a significant amount of time with your student each week.  at the beginning it may be as much as 15 to 20 hours and towards the end closer to 5 hours.
[13:37:43] * stevenjenkins nods.  I've done quite a bit of summer intern & student mgmt over the yrs.
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[23:49:38] <haba> Today's "huh" is that I have a left over backup volume after a vos move. It kindof got "forgotten" on the source. I don't know how much of it is left on the source (yet).