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[12:00:53] <Simon Wilkinson> A belated Happy New Year to everyone!
[12:09:25] <manfred furuholmen> thx 
[12:11:38] <manfred furuholmen> do you have  some documents for disconnect (command syntax, usage ..) ?  
[13:31:50] <summatusmentis> I'd bet dragos does
[13:32:45] <summatusmentis> and iirc, there was documentation on the pioctl that he wrote too
[13:32:51] <summatusmentis> but I don't recall where
[13:48:46] <manfred furuholmen> http://www.codeplex.com/discopenafs is the same project ? 
[13:52:06] <summatusmentis> check out Dragos' code at http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2008-openafs/downloads/list
[13:52:12] <summatusmentis> I would assume there's docs there
[13:54:31] <manfred furuholmen> yes i found something like that 
[13:56:07] <summatusmentis> beyond that... it might be in 1.5.x branch, I'm not sure
[14:01:17] <manfred furuholmen> iread somenthing in the 1.5.56
[14:07:54] <Simon Wilkinson> It is in 1.5.x
[14:08:24] <Simon Wilkinson> I don't know what that codeplex site is. The patch listed there looks like Dragos's one, but it's older than what's in OpenAFS at present.
[14:08:51] <summatusmentis> yeah, not familiar w/ codeplex either
[14:09:07] <summatusmentis> speaking of, I haven't seen Dragos around in forever
[14:09:18] <Simon Wilkinson> Interestingly enough, you try to download the patch and it claims it's under the GPL.
[14:09:57] <manfred furuholmen> yes i take it 
[14:10:16] <Simon Wilkinson> Yup, but the discon code very definitely isn't GPL'd.
[14:10:24] <Simon Wilkinson> It can't be, it has to build with OpenAFS.
[14:11:29] <manfred furuholmen> they call it  "linux Disconnected Patch" 
[14:11:30] <manfred furuholmen> :-)
[14:11:44] <Simon Wilkinson> Yeh - it's not Linux only either.
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[14:13:38] <Simon Wilkinson> I guess either Dragos, or the gatekeepers, could complain.
[14:14:20] <Simon Wilkinson> (about the wrong license, that is)
[14:14:51] <Simon Wilkinson> manfred: In answer to your question about documentation - there isn't really all that much user documentation.
[14:15:12] <Simon Wilkinson> Partly because the code itself isn't really done yet, and partly because nobody's got round to writing any.
[14:15:20] <manfred furuholmen> i don't find command reference in disconnect opertion in the 1.5.56 (in the man ) 
[14:15:38] <Simon Wilkinson> I don't think Dragos contributed man page updates, and I haven't got round to writing any.
[14:15:47] <Simon Wilkinson> fs discon is the command you're looking for.
[14:15:54] <manfred furuholmen> the drangon readme it is still valid ? 
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[14:16:33] <Simon Wilkinson> Drago's notes are still valid, yes. They're far more about the way it's implemented, rather than how to use it though.
[14:17:27] <Simon Wilkinson> http://www.openafs.at/drupal/files/slides/2Day_02/DisconnectedGraz.pdf
[14:17:34] <Simon Wilkinson> is the latest talk I've given about it. 
[14:17:46] <Simon Wilkinson> That has usage instructions, and details of the current state of implementation.
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[14:18:35] <manfred furuholmen> yes i rembember ,
[14:19:14] <manfred furuholmen> can i use all the switch of fs discon <-mode online | offline> [-policy server | client] [-force] 
[14:19:23] <Simon Wilkinson> You should be able to, yes.
[14:19:40] <manfred furuholmen> in special way the policy .. 
[14:20:01] <manfred furuholmen> ok I try to play a little bit ..
[14:20:06] <Simon Wilkinson> That selects the conflict resolution policy - server is 'server wins', client is 'client wins'
[14:20:29] <Simon Wilkinson> force forces reconnection, regardless of the current cached contents. You'll lose everything that's currently in the cache when you do it.
[14:21:12] <summatusmentis> simon, has there been any thought/effort put into merge ops?
[14:21:44] <summatusmentis> I don't know anything about it, but 'server wins' vs. 'client wins' seems kind of black or white
[14:21:52] <manfred furuholmen> ok thanks .. time to leave .. change city .. 
[14:22:05] <summatusmentis> good luck manfredfuruholmen 
[14:22:25] <manfred furuholmen> :-) yes I need .. snow ... ton of snow 
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[14:23:09] <summatusmentis> not looking forward to going back to snow
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[14:42:09] <Simon Wilkinson> summatusmentis: We did discuss better merge operations, including last modified and "prompt user", but ran out of time.
[14:42:38] <Simon Wilkinson> In theory, the merge operations should also preserve the copy that's been overwritten in local storage, so you can recover it if required.
[14:44:22] <summatusmentis> very cool. discon ops make me happy :)
[14:44:50] <Simon Wilkinson> They'll make me happier when they're completely usable.
[14:45:43] <Simon Wilkinson> Pinning and persistence are the two biggies. Dragos is working on pinning, I'm tackling persistence - but having to rejig the vcache structure is making me sad. Too many platforms, not enough test machines ...
[14:46:39] <summatusmentis> completely usable is better :) I've got an aix box I could test on if you want
[14:47:21] <Simon Wilkinson> Can I give you a patch, and get you to build it. I know that the build will fail, but what I want is the errors...
[14:47:37] <summatusmentis> give me a couple weeks, yes
[14:47:52] <Simon Wilkinson> Cool. Ping me when you're able to do so, and I'll let you have it ...
[14:47:54] <summatusmentis> the box is in $school-town, and I'm not
[14:48:05] <Simon Wilkinson> Ah, OK.
[14:48:26] <summatusmentis> but yes, i'll definitely let you know
[14:52:08] <Simon Wilkinson> Thanks!
[14:52:14] <summatusmentis> sure thing
[14:54:30] <summatusmentis> Jeff/derrick, if you're around. I owe you lots of time on web stuff, next week, I promise
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